Aysa, l am LOLing at your LOL!
Should l have said, ‘know’ instead of ‘think’? 
I was told the reason l needed Vitamin D, even though, l ate lots of food containing Vitamin D was because l wasn’t absorbing it.
Realist, l have never been offered, or instructed to take Vitamin K. Should l have been?
I’m phoning my surgery to leave a message asking GP should I be taking vitK too…
Some research to consider:
Another here:
"Taking a Vitamin D3 supplement without K2 can have disastrous effect, as Vitamin D creates need for Vitamin K2 in the body.
As a guide, you should take 45mcg of Vitamin K2 per 1000 IU of Vitamin D3."
"Take your Vitamin K2 supplement with your dinner that includes dietary fat or at bedtime, 8 to 12 hours after you take your Vitamin D3.
Most people take their D3 with breakfast and K2 at dinner time and this seems sensible, as some research shows that D3 is more effective if not taken at the same time as K2."
If you want a more mainstream link then here’s one from NCBI:
“Given the fact that 25(OH)D is converted to 1,25(OH)D, vitamin D supplementation stimulates the production of 1,25(OH)D [72]. This means that long-term vitamin D supplementation could promote the production of large amounts of vitamin K-dependent proteins, which remain inactive because there is not enough vitamin K to carboxylate (Figure 1()). We propose a new hypothesis that if vitamin D concentrations are constantly high, there might not be enough vitamin K for activation of vitamin K-dependent proteins. Consequently, excess vitamin D diminishes the ability of vitamin K-dependent proteins to function properly, to stimulate bone mineralization, and to inhibit soft tissue calcification”
"increasing vitamin D intake through dietary or supplemental source increases intestinal calcium absorption, particularly when combined with calcium supplementation, and promotes hypercalcemia "
"Increased calcium intake by itself may not be problematic as long as there is a steady state between optimal vitamin D and vitamin K concentrations. The disbalance between vitamin D and vitamin K promotes an environment in which excess calcium will be deposited into our vascular tissue instead of bone. "
I just read this about K2…on the internet.
Is Too Much Vitamin k2 bad for you?
If you have diabetes and take vitamin K1*, monitor your blood sugar levels closely.
* Vit K1 is found in most leafy vegetables
Kidney disease: Too much vitamin K can be harmful if you are receiving dialysis treatments due to kidney disease. … In fact, high doses of vitamin K can make clotting problems worse in these people.
You can get your vitamins from a balanced diet, things like butter, egg yolks, dark chicken meat & cheese provide K2, so most don’t need supplements.
Sadly, no matter how many " healthy foods" you eat, you will still die eventually!
I take vitamin K occasionally to clot my blood please don’t take it unless you really need it and you can only find out with a blood test. If you bruise very easily and bleed more than normal you might need the blood test. But normally no one needs a supplement unless they have a blot clotting disease.
Contains no added sugars and is considered gluten free.
This product is new to me Rox but it’s now wonder you are feeling bettter. It appears to be a great product.
The soup has added glucose but at 5 grams, that’s super good.
See my post #115
Some of those products have horrendous levels of sugars as shown on the nutrition labels. 5g of sugar is over a teaspoonful. Personally I think it’s completely unnecessary and unhealthy to put sugary ingredients into soups, but it presumably helps them sell more product to make $$$.
Yes I did see your post #115 
The items Rox inquired about were the shakes and soups. The shakes have no added sugar. All sugars are naturally occurring however they added saccharine which is artificial sugar. I hadn’t seen that earlier and the soup has a mere 5 grams of sugar per serving which is incredibly good.
Sugars displayed are TOTAL sugars, meaning glucose, fructose, saccharine etc
She states that she feels much better using them and that’s the most important thing.The only things I saw in it that were questionable was added colour and saccharine. Artificial colour and sugars aren’t so good but other than that the amount of nutrients are impressive.
It doesn’t really matter what ‘you’ think.
You aren’t taking it; she is and it appears to be working well did her.
Bratti, I wouldn’t bother to argue with him! We are all sensible enough to make our own decisions on what we put into our bodies and we don’t need somebody, who knows nothing about our personal health, telling us what we are doing wrong.
I always think that a good debate is with somebody who is prepared to listen to the other side of the argument… but that will never happen if they have such fixed ideas.
We should all do what we feel is right, and if in doubt, ask somebody, who is qualified, to answer our questions!
I only take one sachet shake each day, detest chicken soup lol. I have not put on any weight either in fact I have lost a few pounds as I am doing more. Also have stopped having a snooze some afternoons. They are designed for older people and full of nutrients to suit over 50s, I found they are working for me, so will stick with them. I used to sometimes buy Yakult or that flavoured yoghurt one, but they didn’t make any difference to me despite the TV adverts promising miracles lol. I saw these at the start and end of TV programmes I was watching, they were promoting the show, usually on Paramount Channel. It got me interested and I went searching, glad I did.
My husband takes the actimel ones roxy I think that’s what you mean, he’s found it helps his IBS he’s in much less pain with them. So I’d guess it depends why you are taking them and what your problem is. They always say more fibre for IBS but that cripples him, so what works for one may not work for another body I always think.
Hi Bratti
The idea of “naturally occurring” sugars is a red herring and of little tangible difference. Chemically sugar is sugar. It’s been discussed on the forum before.
The “simple sugars” each have 6 Carbon atoms, 12 Hydrogen atoms and 6 Oxygen atoms. They differ only in the specific arrangement of those atoms
Glucose - C6H12O6
Fructose - C6H12O6
Galactose - C6H12O6
Then there are the Disaccharides:
Lactose - C12H22O11
Sucrose - C12H22O11
Maltose - C12H22O11
Again chemically the same
The sugar in an apple is what you would call “natural sugar”.
The average apple has about 10g/11g of sugar per 100g.
That’s 2.5 teaspoonfuls of sugar.
The fact that those sugars occurred naturally in a product of Nature makes no difference to the body. Sugar is sugar.
What DOES MATTER though is what you eat the sugar with.
If you eat an apple off the tree you are getting all the vitamins, minerals, anitoxidants and fibre from the whole fruit which is very healthy. The fibre content makes the body absorb and use the sugars far more slowly than it would if you just ate the sugars alone.
Thus eating apples is healthy
Drinking cartons of apple juice, which is essentially all of the sugars and very little of the fibre, is, imho, very unhealthy.
Going back to the Meritene products.
The Strawberry Shake sachets contain approx 15g of sugar in the little 30g sachet which is equiv to about 4 teaspoonfuls.
The fibre content is 0, nothing, zero !
As a nutiritionist you must already know all of this so it is curious why you would make the excuse “they are just natural sugars”.
I agree with you that the list of fortifications (all the vitamins and minerals) is great, but one can obtain those very easily by taking simple multi vitamin supplements, no need to ingest large amounts of sugars with no fibre !
Some people don’t need the fibre realist it could be you are commenting on someone has found exactly the right nutrition for their body. It’s great if you have found what works for you but your body is different to many others IMO
Good to hear it Roxy. Best of luck to you.
As I’ve highlighted I personally wouldn’t go near those Meritene shakes with that high sugar content and no fibre.
I would look for simple supplements to get all those vitamins and minerals, that is of course IF I couldn’t get them from the foods I eat. As it is I DO get all my vitamins and minerals from fruit and vegetables and other foods. I personally think that’s the best way, the natural way, which works for me. My weight has been stable for the past 20 years.
Yep, everyone is different Julie and its good that your hubby gets relief from his IBS from Actimels. It’s a shame though that you can’t buy them without the silly amounts of sugar in them as then he’d get the benefit he needs without the negative impacts of sugars ingested without fibre. Of course if they did that they wouldn’t sell as much of their product as it would likely taste like it actually is, which AFAIK is yoghurt infused with lactobacteria/pro biotics that have been taken from human intestines and cultured/propagated from that point on
Indeed but we have to work with what we can get I guess. My vitamins etc mostly come from supplements these days, when you have to restrict your diet as much I do you can’t rely on food to provide for you.
Don’t really understand the point you’re making here. I’m commenting on a product, a sugary product with no fibre. I’m not commenting on a person.
I’m simply making the point that ingesting large amounts of sugar without taking fibre means the body will metabolise the sugar very quickly. If a person needs an instant and short lived burst of energy then that’s going to meet their needs. Otherwise if they are not very active, the unneeded energy will likely be converted to fats resulting in weight gain.
I was just commenting not everyone needs the same was all. You appeared to be saying no fibre bad, lots of sugar bad, I was just making a point it might be just what the person taking it needs. If they aren’t putting on weight I’d say they are pretty active anyway.
What I said, pretty clearly I thought, was eating lots of sugar without eating fibre is imho not generally a healthy thing to do. I personally wouldn’t eat any such products except very occasionally (like the odd cake).
Of course there will always be specific people who might actually be looking to intake large quantities of sugars without fibre for their specific needs but I think they will be few and far between.
Nature’s products are packed with goodness and to me personally it makes little sense to strip out all those good parts and just ingest the sugar content.
Hence apple juice for me, is a poor product whereas an actually apple is great. Vitamins, minerals, fibre, antioxidants and phytochemicals. All great health boosting elements.
It is a fact imho that just about every supermarket product is piled with sugars because manufacturers know that sugar is an addictive substance (like cocaine) and fools the brian’s pleasure receptors making you “enjoy” the product. That equates to lots more sales of product and thus increased profits, all at the expense of making people ingest more and more sugar which in most cases will be detrimental to health.