Post-Covid Brain fog

Thanks Swim…:023:

Of course I wouldn’t Swim…:009:

But I don’t want to get in a war of; ‘My scientist is better than your scientist’…
Sometimes we abandon common sense after listening to the very convincing theories and forecasts of the latest professor on the news or Internet.

I still maintain that Covid can be compared to the flu virus.
Not HIV which has to enter the circulation…
Not Hepatitis which has to be ingested…
But Flu. Airborne contamination just like covid…And responsible for a similar number of fatalities over the years.

January…62770
February…43587
March…43700
April…79251
May…67295
June…39003
July…44490
August…37000
September…36707

Total deaths…453,803

These figures represent the number of deaths occurring in the UK each month in 2020. (ONS)
January (pre Covid) has the third highest death rate in the year so far despite Covid in April and May.
Deaths from Flu, and natural causes, mainly in the aged. Winter usually takes its toll of the elderly, and hospitals are always packed to the rafters at this time of year…

BMJ say:

Evidence of the UK’s higher overall death toll during the first wave of the pandemic relative to comparable countries is unequivocal. England had the highest excess all-cause mortality rate among 23 European countries in the first five months of 2020 compared with 2015-19, followed by Spain and Scotland, with mortality being spread throughout the country in contrast to the more localised patterns in Europe.2 England also had the second (after Spain) highest peak of excess all-cause mortality and the slowest fall to normal levels—so the longest period of excess deaths. The contrasts with Norway, Finland, Denmark, Austria, and some eastern European countries, where no excess mortality was observed throughout 2020, are even sharper.

Recent changes to the definition of a covid-19 death in England (from all deaths after a positive test to deaths within 28 days) have reduced the UK’s official covid-19 death toll by 16%.13 But the change doesn’t alter the UK’s poor ranking among European peers. Excess mortality rates based on death certification data2 are more reliable for national and international comparisons than the covid-19 “surveillance” data used for tracking the pandemic’s trajectory.4 Comparisons of excess mortality circumvent differences in how covid-19 deaths are counted and also include deaths from the wider effects of the pandemic.

So where are we now and how did we get here? The overall death rate for England from 1 January to 31 July 2020 was the highest since 2009 (less consistently true also of Wales).5 The year got off to a good start, with a mild influenza season and almost 5000 fewer deaths in England and Wales up to early March 2020 than the 2015-19 average. But in the ensuing five months, there were over 58 000 more deaths than the 2015-19 average, of which almost 52 000 (89%) were related to covid-19.1

Total deaths returned to near normal levels some weeks ago, as they did in other European countries, after which they fell below normal. In the eight weeks to 7 August there were about 1700 (2%) fewer all cause deaths in England and Wales than the 2015-19 average. This welcome respite has a darker side, however, as it suggests many of the earlier deaths had been premature, for which ONS analyses provide further corroboration. It’s unclear whether the increase in deaths in the fortnight to 21 August to above average levels is related to a heatwave or signals a longer term trend.

PHE say:

Weekly excess deaths by date of registration, England.

The trend in total excess deaths by week, in England, since week ending 27 March 2020 is shown in Figure 1. Numbers above each of the columns show the total number of excess deaths and how these compare with the expected number based on modelled estimates for 2015 to 2019. For example, in week ending 24 April there were 10,039 excess deaths and this was almost double (1.96 times higher) the expected number of deaths in this week. When fewer deaths than expected occur in a week, the column is coloured grey.

Excess deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate are shown in orange. If the number of deaths is not shown in the orange part of the column, that means the total excess was less than the number of deaths with a mention of COVID-19, indicating fewer deaths from other causes than expected in these weeks.

The number of excess deaths without COVID-19 mentioned on the certificate (shown in the white part of the column) may be due to an increase in deaths from other causes during the period of the pandemic but may also reflect under-reporting of deaths involving COVID-19.

Ive been suffering from this for at least the last 4yrs Annie !!
And to my knowledge l have never been been infected with the
covid virus ! I put my symptons down to some form of dementia as
it seems to be getting more noticeable over time and is now affecting
not only my memory, but my hearing and sight also !!
However, l am stil functiong allthough l sometimes walk past people
without seeing them??
So maybe some of the people who believe they have been affected
by the virus are only in the same situation as me really ??

Donkeyman!

But your graphs are only superimposing covid figures onto an allready
established death rate Omah !
Taken by themselves they would be lower than for flu?
I believe the higher UK death rate initially was down to our population
having a higher proportion of old and also sickly individuals than
most other countries due to our NHS and welfare systems being more
highly developed than theirs?? Leading to these sickly individuals
succumbing very early in the epidemic ?As time goes on the death
rate should decline as the sickly die off and the general population
becomes healthier as a result ??
I think we will be stuck with covid for some time yet even if we get
a vaccine, and will end up being in the same boat as flu in having
yearly vaccinations? Although this cannot prevent some deaths from
occurring !!

Donkeyman!

I’d put a caveat on that with its not entirely known just when covid started impacting,my youngest was bed ridden back in January for a fortnight,it wasn’t until March when symptoms of covid were known that she and no doubt others questioned whether she had covid rather than flu.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/heres-how-likely-it-is-you-had-covid-back-in-december-084036584.html

* https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895233/Surveillance_Influenza_and_other_respiratory_viruses_in_the_UK_2019_to_2020_FINAL.pdf#page=51&zoom=100,53,114

Mortality Surveillance

Excess all-cause mortality surveillance

You decide … :wink:

You know it’s kind of sad to be reduced to dickering over death rates …

All I said was … that I believe that sooner or later, the government will be forced to adopt the herd immunity approach, with or without a vaccine at the ready … for the simple reason that they can’t keep dishing out furlough, grants and loans hand over fist.
I shudder to think how the government intend to claw it back.

Indeed it is - the thread is about Post-Covid symptoms but some posters persist in asserting that COVID-19 is no worse than flu and using death as a measure, even though COVID-related deaths have declined dramatically and the current issues are the rocketing number of positive cases, the probable number of hospitalisations and the possible number of Post-Covid patients.

Covid might or might not be as bad as flu … in real percentage terms though very few people have died, and it certainly is a lot less deadly than the 1918 flu pandemic. There’s a helluva lot of scaremongering going on.

It’s all well and good to draw attention to the death rate … or to Long Covid … but the measures to combat it are actually proving more costly than the damage the virus is doing.

Today we hear that …
In one county they are warning that none emergency surgical operations will be on a 2 year waiting list because of Covid.

We hear that lung cancer referrals are down 50% because people aren’t going to the doctors as they’re assuming pains in the chest, shortness of breath are caused by covid and are self isolating instead of seeking medical advice.

We hear that women over 70 are not been offered breast screening … due to, you’ve guessed … covid.

We hear that the North is in outcry over further furlough, that workers and owners alike are worried about redundancy and business closures.

It makes you wonder whether life will ever return to normal.

Dementia doesn’t happen overnight. This is more like the type of cognitive impairment following concussion aneurysm or vascular / stroke. The effects of a block of oxygen to the brain plus stroke risk.

In fact there is also a blood clot risk.

On a separate topic Michael Rosen who was seriously ill with covid was describing all this on tv today. He also mentioned fellow patients who had toes amputated. Counted himself lucky as although his toes are numb he still has them. It took him 3 weeks to learn to walk again.

So did mister Rosen get numb toes due to covid Annie? I doubt it?
More likely had that allready but being disabled by covid accellerated
the condition??
BTW your earlier paragraph describes my syptons exactly !! Even
down to the cause !
Clever girl !!

Donkeyman!

Hi DM he had it from Covid.

I’ve given three conditions that can lead to sudden cognitive impairment. Usually overnight. Viruses such as meningitis and herpes can also cause this to come on suddenly. Any inflammation of the brain. They would have ruled out covid had there been evidence of such conditions. I really don’t understand why people don’t believe this disease exists.

I posted on here about a bad virus I had in December last year, left me with vertigo and rib pains. Wasband #2 visited in November after trip to Japan via Hong Kong.

Younger daughter caught it then older one who was so ill she went into hospital, she suffers from asthma.

My CFS and fibromyalgia I’ve had for years was traced back to a viral infection, I had menigitis and pneumonia years before. I get brain fog sometimes, it’s debilitating.

These things can last forever.

TessA I had similar problems after having a severe anaphylactic shock which seemed to focus on my head more than anywhere. I was sick as a dog for months after and the doctors couldn’t figure out what was wrong. Blood tests all fine etc.

I’ve had all sorts of unusual health problems since most notably some sort of injury when jogging which caused a severe headache which felt like my head would pop for several days. I felt a pulling on my neck at the time (I hadn’t hydrated properly). I was on some antibiotics for a UTI, maybe wasn’t a wise move to go jogging and I blame the meds tbh. Then brain fog. Overnight - bang just like that everything I had taken for granted became so difficult. Articulating, planning etc. I think it may have been one of the veins that goes to my brain tearing because of being weakened by the earlier anaphylactic shock, but by the time I had the MRI it was months after and I had pretty much physically recovered. I could no longer exercise, I had no joie de vivre, I lost my spark, I struggled with my highly demanding job. I’d collapse into bed after a day of work, I stopped socialising. I realised the other side of life. The life where illness takes over and you no longer have any hope. It was horrible.

Very much mimics dementia, but unlike dementia I regained my brain function and my memory works so much better than ten years ago when it happened. I now rarely have to go back to the previous room to remind myself why I left it. I hardly ever try to pick up a hot pan with my bare hands. Or put orange juice on my cornflakes. I don’t struggle as much with too much text, although reading complex papers is not as easy as once it was. I no longer get the visual distortion I had for a year after. Or panic when I’m in a supermarket because there is too much chaos and noise. But it was a struggle for the first few years. You’re never quite the same after something like that. So I really do understand what these people could be going through and it’s not ageing (I was in my early forties). Amazing how much the brain and body can recover though. The trouble is you’re trapped in a world that nobody else understands and you cannot communicate to others how you feel because to them you seem ok.

Well posted Annie - we need to know these things

Am trying to work out how my original thread post was edited by Omah today. I had a message come up but I didn’t realise other members could edit a post. Answers on a virtual postcard. It says the tags were changed.

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I’ve just added the “brain-fog” tag … :slightly_smiling_face:

How do you do that? Could be fun. :grinning:

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