I wasn’t correcting the expletive but the phrase.
You’ve never heard that phrase before? 
is not what Auriol Grey said to the cyclist … and no-one’s ever told me to do that,
No more complex than a criminal trial. Of course it’s only an option for those who have resources to pursue. But that goes back to the original trial too. Easy for the authorities to prosecute a vulnerable individual who does not have much support, than to address the real problem which is that the local authority failed to provide a safe cycling and pedestrian infrastructure. At the very least they could have provided a pedestrian guard rail to prevent anyone veering off the pavement onto a busy highway. Such a simple step could have changed the course of events here. What’s more shocking is that since this tragedy nothing has been changed to increase safety of this pavement.
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Levels of complexity vary enormously in both criminal and civil cases … but THREE plaintiffs with separate legal teams will not simplify matters.
Have you contacted the local authority (or any other interested parties) about your complaints?
Why is it my responsibility?
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Why isn’t it if you feel so “shocked” by the lack of action - email makes contacts easy nowadays … 
Easy way for you to change the subject from the actual subject which was a debate about the situation not a call to action.
I can only assume you have no comment on my point and this is a way to deflect.
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I’m not changing the subject - you brought up the lack of action from the local authority - I didn’t.
I was posting comments regarding the possibility of civil action.
Ok but my having an opinion doesn’t assume I have a personal responsibility to remedy a problem being discussed. It would be the same as you asking me to write to Putin because I want the war in Ukraine to end! This is only a debate after all. (NB that’s not an invitation to discuss the terms of reference of a public internet forum!)
I’ve written to Putin.
We are going off topic
I don’t agree that the real problem is that the local authority failed to provide a safe cycling and pedestrian infrastructure.
The real problem is that Auriel Grey caused a cyclist to fall in the path of a car because of her aggressive and violent behaviour
That is what she was found guilty of, and what she is being punished for
The trial determined that she knows right from wrong and her disabilities didn’t cause her behaviour
So it was correct that the authorities prosecuted her, they can’t just ignore a crime because the culprit may or may not be vulnerable. The extent of that vulnerability is for the judge, jury to decide
And any failings of the local authority have no bearing on prosecuting her at all
It’s not a choice of prosecuting one or the other of them, Auriel Grey or the council
There was a case and evidence against Auriel Grey and she caused someone’s death so it was quite rightly brought to court
If there was a case against the council, that should be brought to court too, but I don’t think there is
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If it was a chav, doing a wheelie on a bike, then got shoved under a car this thread would have ended after 20 posts of “Good Riddance”, but, one old girl on another old girl has produced many responses.
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Not so .
A life is a life and the use of the word ‘ chav’ ’ is a bit dated.
I don’t like the use of old girls either .
The cyclist was 77 was her life of no value ?
Had it been an old bloke in lycra ( and there are loads of them about ; would it have elicited a different response ?
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No, just less of a response.
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But if we’re going to ponder on what provokes different responses, what if it had been a young black postal gang member whose aggressive behaviour forced the elderly white cyclist in the path of a car?
Would he have got all this sympathy, even if it turned out he came from deprived background and had learning difficulties?
What if it wasn’t a cyclist?
Just someone walking down the road that Auriel Grey took a dislike to for being on her part of the pavement and blocked her way and flailed her arms at, causing her to stumble into the road?
Would Ariel Grey have got so much sympathy if the victim wasn’t one of those “hated” cyclists?
Had the cyclist been an aggressive lout it could have been Auriol who ended up dying under the car. Hence the point about the local authority being held to account about the safety of this road.
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Whichever was the aggressive lout would have been responsible for the death of the other and guilty of manslaughter, though?
In this case the aggressive lout was Auriel Grey
Local authority held to account for what? Maybe they could have done signage better but the path looks safe and adequate for both cyclists and pedestrians if it’s used in a civilised way
Responsible for the death, no, definitely not
Only Auriel Grey is responsible for that and whatever the local authority did doesn’t make how she behaved any better or acceptable
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