Sounds like a win:win for the insurance industry.
e-cycles should definitely have insurance and number plates. They should be manufactured to make the noise of a motor as some can be doctored to go up over 30mph. All cycles should have to comply with speed limits and any cycles (motorised or not) using shared paths should be limited to 4mph in line with mobility scooters.
When I was a child I had mirrors on the handlebars of my bike. Not sure when this went out of fashion but it seems to be a good idea!
I know … insurance companies will have a bonanza.
Thing is …not unlike traffic calming measures and ‘Clean Air Zones’ for motorists all the regulation in the world can’t get away from the fact that roadway widths and pavement widths are just inadequate for the amount of traffic now on them.
Isn’t that largely why cyclisrts, for one, have turned to pavements … for safety.
Well, quite.
Why ever would she stop anyway?
As I said before, if I saw a big aggressive woman like that stomping towards me, swearing and waving her arms in my direction the last thing I’d do is stop. That wouldn’t be the sensible thing to do at all
I’d be too scared of a violent confrontation so I’d try to stay on my bike and get past her and away from her as quickly as possible
But Ms Grey made that impossible and that’s the only thing that caused the death, not anything the cyclist did
Maree, I respect your opinion but after today’s falling out I’ve had enough of this particular incident and am confining myself to the larger issue of the new topic heading.
You’re putting yourself in the lady cyclist’s position … saying she’d do this and do that.
Perhaps without intending to … You’ve almost implied that she’d have been better to try and pedal out of danger, as she perceived it… without considering how that might have made a pedestrian react. Not necesarily Auriol Grey.
Perhaps that would have prevented her going into the road ? … She’d still be alive. And the pedestian, instead, would be in the papers as injured by a cyclist.
We’ll never know.
Isn’t that the thing about this tragic accident.
No pavement user should have to see a pavement as a battleground… or be forced into any behaviour to try and exert their rights.
I’ll post on this particular incident again when the case progresses with new developments … whenever that might be, Otherwise we seem to just be just disagreeing with each other all the time.
Edited to add: One thing has me curious and you might know this. I googled to find out and couldn’t find anything.
I’m assuming Auriol Grey was not on remand in prison whilst awaiting the trial, as it was a retrial …
It’s not really relevant or vitally important but I just wondered if anyone knew?
Please excuse me snipping out a chunk of your post but I found the bit below very relevant
I agree with that. If her condition means she can’t behave in a civilised way with regard to other peoples safety, then she should be under some sort of supervision so the public are protected
At least if she spends time in prison the public will be spared her aggression while she’s incarcerated
And maybe thought should be given when she’s released to if it’s safe for her to live unsupervised and what sort of accommodation would be most suitable
Exactly … 
FWIW, if I was on a bike with someone aggressive approaching me, I’d either get off so I’d be in a less precarious position, or turn around and pedal away.
I did … and I just have 
… especially when they’re riding three abreast.
As long as this stupid idea of pedestrians and cyclists having to share a confined space persists this sort of thing is going to happen.
That is the point I’ve been trying to get over all along.
Well you did too much faffing about then 
There are different sorts of 77 year old people. Some are quite fit, energetic and alert. I’m 78 and people tell me I come into that category.
A point about insurance, I know household insurance can cover personal liability but a buyer should make sure exactly what is included. I personally think dedicated insurance is better. There’s a rather long article linked to below that gives the ins and outs of cycle insurance.
Bicycle insurance 2023: Do cyclists need insurance? - Bike Radar - BikeRadar
That’ll be going round the houses … 
Probably.
@mart … I’m in agreement … dedicated insurance is the way to go especially for more serious competitive riders who might engage in time trials and road races and should have PLP cover. Perhaps it’s already a requirement of joining cysling clubs ?
I’d happily have insurance as a pedestrian … whilst not insuring any property for theft it would cover me for any damage to goods I was carrying, any damage to me … or any damage to anyone else I may have caused injury to.
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Spot on Morti, as usual you are the voice of commonsense.
I agree that the law needs to be looked at.
What I really dislike is people on road bikes, this type:
…on paths that are really for people to walk on but councils call them ‘bike paths’ - which is dumb because 99% of people who use them are pedestrians! Anyway, they are often in groups and come flying down at high speeds, they could easily kill a child or dog if they hit one. I don’t have a dog anymore but when I did I would flag these bikers down telling them to SLOW DOWN and mention that if anyone killed my dog I would probably want to kill them (just being honest!) 
I personally feel road bikes like the one above should not be allowed on any path or pavement that pedestrians can walk on and all other bikes when on bike paths must go no faster than 5 mph when anywhere near a pedestrian and should be dismounted if the path is narrow or there are pedestrians or dogs on the path and where dismounting would make things safer. I think this is fair and safe, it allows sensible cyclists to share paths while protecting people and animals.
Well quite, I can’t believe this poor cyclist in being blamed for her own death because she’s 77 and had the cheek to still be riding her bike 
From what I have seen of the video it appears to me that the woman pushed the cyclist - but they cut the video at the crucial point making it difficult to say with any certainty. She also did not make any attempt to move out of the way - which is what you would expect of a sane person: move out of the way and then shout and scream at the cyclist if you really have to 
