Liz Truss - Fracking in Lancashire - MPs allege bullying during chaotic fracking vote

AFAIK, this hasn’t happened yet but it will … with a sympathetic Tory government:

Ministers are reportedly reviewing laws that would allow fracking to be carried out underneath houses without the permission of the owners.

Trespass laws are being examined to pave the way for energy companies to explore for shale gas.

Whatever it takes to replace what has been lost or damaged Pixie. Not even the NCB (National Coal Board) were taken to task over the damage they caused to property, but they should have been. ‘If there’s blame, there’s a claim’…

Well actually, we don’t have the right to complain if its a certain depth underground, or if it is above a certain height above our property. However, fracking goes far deeper than the deepest coal mine.

It doesn’t stay deep though, thats the point, Foxy…when you throw a stone in water, you just don’t get a splash and thats it…it ripples outwards, and wider. Fracking does that too because it weakens the surrounding ground.

… and causes more earthquakes.

Fracking uses large amounts of water and releases toxic chemicals into the surrounding water table. Each well consumes a median of 1.5 million gallons. Not only does this reduce the amount of water available for drinking and irrigation, but it also threatens to pollute local sources with contaminated wastewater.

The byproduct of fracking’s water consumption is billions of gallons of wastewater that may be contaminated by petrochemicals. The majority is injected into underground wells, and what isn’t injected is transported for treatment. The EPA highlights potential leakage from wastewater storage pits, or accidental releases during transport, as risks to drinking water supplies.

https://www.messengernewspapers.co.uk/news/whereyoulive/10971603.mp-demands-answers-on-why-waste-water-from-fracking-was-dumped-into-the-manchester-ship-canal/

Kate Green spoke out after a BBC Inside Out programme aired on Monday, January 27, reported that before October 2011, radioactive water from Cuadrilla’s fracking operations was handled at United Utilities (UU) treatment works in Davyhulme and, after treatment, released into the Manchester Ship Canal.

two to three kilometres

Fracking, or hydraulic fracturing, is used to extract gas and oil from hard-to-reach shale rock. It involves drilling a well to a depth of two to three kilometres and pumping a high-pressure mix of water, sand and chemicals in order to generate small fractures in the shale.26 Sept 2019

So two to three kilometres Pixie…We actually live near one of the deepest coal mines in the country and its half a mile deep (around 800 metres) and they would detonate explosives at the coal face in order to dig it out. Fracking is considerably deeper at almost 2 miles.
I think people are just frightened of things going on below them, probably due to all the bad and frightening media coverage.

Yes, that’ll be why our First Minister banned it altogether then. Because she was scared of the bad and frightening media coverage.

Ok then :slight_smile:

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Okay…the chemicals do sound a bit toxic Pixie (thanks Omar)
I found this little nougat…

Understanding why fracking wastewater contains radioactive waste - News - The Chemical Engineer.

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On the whole (no pun intended), digging a hole and some shafts off it and using localised explosives which one has a few centuries experience of in terms of likely outcome, is somewhat less problematic than injecting high pressure stuff without any full experience of medium to long term outcomes, but which does have some early indicators of problems such as earthquakes and polluting otherwise wholesome water supplies.

Add in the fact that the UK is unlikely to benefit much from the whole process. Add in the fact that we’re trying to move away from setting fire to things as a fuel option.

The researchers focused on rocks from the Marcellus Shale, a geological feature in Pennsylvania and New York where fracking is being carried out.

New York isn’t Lancashire, and the Marcellus Shale isn’t Bowland Shale.

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Not in my case - I have actually felt the earth move beneath my feet (twice) - proved to be caused by fracking.

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I’ve shifted my answer to a new thread Dex (energy crisis)…Didn’t want to go off topic on this one.

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Currently, MPs are not set to get a vote on the government’s pledge to lift the ban on fracking in England. But Labour want to force a vote on the issue, while some Tory MPs have told the BBC they would like this too.

Some Conservatives said they believe dozens of their colleagues have raised concerns with No 10 and the prime minister about her plans to bring back fracking where there is “local consent”. Some of them have argued publicly, and others privately, that the government has not clarified how it could prove “local consent”. Others have argued that the plans go against the 2019 Conservative manifesto commitment to maintain the ban on fracking unless the science had changed to show it can be done safely.

Business Secretary Jacob Rees-Mogg has said that tolerating a higher degree of risk and disturbance from fracking appears to be “in the national interest” given the desire to produce more energy domestically since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Cross-party MPs (1) who oppose fracking are looking for a parliamentary mechanism they could use to force MPs to get a formal vote on the issue - and use this to try and persuade the government to change its plans.

One idea being considered by opposition parties and Tory rebels is an amendment to future energy or planning bills - draft laws - blocking fracking from taking place, that MPs could then have the opportunity to vote for or against. If enough Tory MPs voted with the opposition parties, this could overturn the government’s majority meaning the amendment would pass.

Another option being considered is Labour tabling an opposition day debate on the issue, though some rebel Tory MPs could be less likely to vote for a Labour motion than an amendment to a government bill. While an opposition day vote would not be binding, if it was backed by enough Tory MPs it could be used to show a lack of support for fracking in Parliament.

Given the number of Tory MPs publicly - and privately - opposing fracking, some have told the BBC they feel the government may eventually see this as one fight too many after weeks of infighting within the Tory party over the government’s economic plans.

(1) The Anti-Fracking Coalition … :icon_exclaim:

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Hi

I think Ms Truss has delusions of power and confuses being Prime Minister with being an absolute Dictator.

She will soon be learning some hard lessons.

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Government never learn though do they? Their mantra is “We must learn from this” but nobody ever does :woman_shrugging:

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For some reason, I’m reminded on the Fawlty Tower’s line…“this is exactly how Nazi Germany began”.

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@Omah , “Yorkshire isn’t New York state”
Exactly that and UK isn’t USA either ?
We are a small over populated island with a looming water supply crisis !!
:-1::worried::worried::-1:

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Labour has called on Tory MPs to “put country over party” and back its push for a vote on banning fracking. The party wants to use a vote in Parliament on Wednesday to force the introduction of a draft law to ban the extraction of shale gas.

Wednesday’s vote is the first parliamentary test of the government’s fracking plans, but is unlikely to be successful given the size of the Conservatives’ majority.

As it stands, the government is not expected to give MPs a vote on banning fracking. But on Wednesday, Labour will use an opposition day debate to push for such a vote in the House of Commons.

The party will put forward a motion which seeks to make time to table a bill that would ban fracking for good.

While an opposition day motion would not be binding, if it was backed by enough Tory MPs it could be used to show a lack of support for fracking in Parliament.

Interesting … :thinking:

Update to follow … :newspaper:

Tory MPs told vote on Labour’s motion on fracking being treated as confidence motion

Tory MPs have been told that they have to vote against the Labour motion on fracking this evening, Sky’s Beth Rigby reports. Craig Whittaker, deputy chief whip, has told them that the government is treating this as a confidence issue – ie, equivalent to a vote of no confidence in the government.

This is because the fracking motion is not a normal opposition day motion that simply criticises the government. The Tories often abstain on these. Instead, copying a tactic used by opponents of a no-deal Brexit in 2019, the motion would allow Labour to take control of the Commons timetable on Tuesday so that MPs could spend the day debating and voting through a ban on fracking for shale gas bill.

Many Tory MPs oppose fracking, but few, if any, approve of Keir Starmer taking control of the parliamentary timetable, and so the government should be able to win the vote comfortably. The Tories appear to have walked straight into a trap set by Labour, who will be able to say that MPs who voted for the government voted against a ban on fracking.

Devious … :wink:

Three Tory MPs say they will refuse to vote to back fracking, even if that means losing whip

Chris Skidmore, a leading member of the Conservative Environment Network, said he was willing to face the consequences of his actions - which could mean losing the Conservative whip. He said:

As the former energy minister who signed net sero into law, for the sake of our environment and climate, I cannot personally vote tonight to support fracking and undermine the pledges I made at the 2019 general election. I am prepared to face the consequences of my decision.

The Tory former minister Tracey Crouch echoed his statement.

And so did the Tory MP Angela Richardson.