Sense has nothing to do with it Azz, some of the best unorthodox leaders in the world have had their critics, they wouldn’t be outstanding if they didn’t they’d just be boring old farts like John Major or Edward Heath.
People with just an ounce of human intellect then.
Every smart, intelligent, and decent person can see what Farage is about - people like him have no place in the future of humanity, just the destruction of it OGF. I really do hope you’ll realise this one day.
The man is a C thro and thro - a puppet for the Epstein class - who just want everyday people (99% of humanity) fighting each other instead of fighting what really matters - the greedy rulers stealing the world’s wealth and natural resources:
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It is now reported that the Police are investigating some very large payments allegedly made to Farage by te mother of the Convicted Fraudster.
I do so hope this is not true.
well said Azz
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It is like you know, you can fully see what would happen, and yet you’re going to vote for them anyway. What is that behaviour called?
I know Lincs.
The common people shouldn’t be allowed to vote, only those who are intellectual like yourself.
Of course they are Swim, anyone with a modicum of sense can see what the establishment is trying to do. They have already tried to pin ‘racism’ on him. What next?
Say what you like about Farage, but I would still by a second hand car off ‘Honest Nige’
More than can be said about Starmer or Burnham.
That is quite a leap from what I posted, is it not?
Well that’s how you make it seem Lincs. We are not, and never been politically aligned, we come from totally different worlds, and as such my priorities will be different to yours. You post about the economy and how leaving the EU was a mistake. I on the other hand, think the priority should be the influx of grunts and bringing industry and jobs back to the UK.
By jobs I don’t mean more accountants and bean counters, I mean engineers, plumbers, electricians, bricklayers, and yes…Miners and fishing, because mining and fishing were industries that supported whole communities. Shops, small engineering factories, and transport. We seem to have lots more houses around Doncaster but very little industry.
And at the end of the day, it was industry that made Doncaster the place that it is.
People came from all over Britain and beyond to work in the mines, International Harvesters, ICI (originally Nylon Spinners), Pilkington’s Glass works, Crompton Parkinson’s, Pegglars, the Plant works (home of the Mallard and flying Scotsman) Burton’s Tailoring, SR Gent (supplier to Marks and Spencer)
and hundreds more family run companies. Dad made bottles for 45 years at the large ‘Rockware Bottle Plant’ and Mum worked as a conductor for 40 years on the privately owned bus company.
Most of the industrial areas have street after street of houses built on them now, and on the road where some of the biggest companies stood, are full of car showrooms.
God only knows where all of the people of Doncaster work now.
I actually do not understand much of your thinking as, to me, it does not make sense.
You do not seem to care that leaving the EU negatively impacted the UK economy. But you want more jobs in the UK. Do you not see that a poorer economy means fewer jobs or worse jobs? Do you not think that my practical view of the economic benefits of being in the EU actually support your hope for more jobs?
You then describe specific jobs - traditional jobs. Often not very well paying jobs. What is wrong with well paid office jobs? I do not understand why you are picky on that jobs people should have. Is it not better to simply want people to have a good job that pays well and has good prospects? Why limit the choice? What’s the attractiveness of factories?
Then you hark back to days long gone for much of the western world. Textile manufacturing - all shifted east and not coming back again. And some jobs you refer to are bad - bad for ones health, bad for job security, just bad. Any sensible miner in the 50’s would want their kids to get the education that would mean never going down a mine. You refer to your family. Here’s mine. Both my grandfathers were fishermen sailing from NE Scotland. Both were very clear - no son of theirs was going to sea. It is too dangerous and the income too precarious.
The new world of work is different from the 50’s but that does not make it bad. If I’d kids I would guide them to getting a job in commercial banking or insurance or selling technology services - really good money. That would give them income to afford decent housing, spare cash for fun, and good pensions for old age. You seem to want kids to go off and work on a production line or laying bricks and earning a basic wage even with overtime. I’m going to suggest that is not the very best bit of career advice. Better to be a car salesman - you get decent salary and good commission.
Back to Farage.
His attempt to duck the parliamentary investigation into the £5m gift he got might be backfiring for two reasons. It looks like the 13 Aug by-election will be so much of a farce that Farage himself might un-resign. If he goes ahead it will look very stupid campaigning against a man with a bin on his head. More and more are noting the utter waste of money he is causing. Everyone will observe that its not Farage versus the establishment in any way at all.
On top of that poor decision, it seems there is now a police investigation into possible money laundering with yet other gifts Farage has been getting. The payment routing for gifts from Fiona Cotteral (George’s mother) are suspicious to say the least. Someone was trying to make things opaque for some reason.
So Farage made the greedy mistake of accepting a huge gift (not a bribe, no not at all). And made that worse by lobbying the bank of england on behalf of the donor of that gift (so confirming that the gift was a lot like a bribe). Then made another mistake of accepting more big money gifts and gifts of help (house, social media support, security). Then made the big mistake of trying to hide all that and not declare it. Then made another mistake of not having a convincing justification for it all (even a half convincing lie) so went through a cycle of a few doubtful reasons. Then made the whopper of a mistake in resigning to force a by-election to try to make it a Farage vs Establishment vote (someone please explain how it would have been such a thing). Then made a spur of the moment mistake of threatening a journalist with some sort of attack on the journo’s employer (nothing says freedom of speech like trying to threaten a news company).
I wonder what is next mistake is going to be? He seems to be on a roll.
Foxy is just saying society has lost substance, that has got nowt much to do with the EU, its the Global’s fault, its irreversible, who can say what an economy would have looked like, given any of many scenarios, all that is known is some folks are making a handsome living trying to predict the next global deviation.
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Yes, the thing called society that Thatcher was so distainful of.
What was posted was a long yearning for a time now gone and companies & jobs now gone. Wishing it would all return is not a solution or plan. Its a fantasy. Surely it is better to look forward and even better not to knobble UK trade & investments with self inflicted harm. And doubly even better would be to look at the chap who convinced so many to vote Leave with empty promises, who is now worth millions when most are poorer, and turn your back on him.
Back to Farage.
It seems that Farage is going to be up against a star studded array of top class opponents in the forthcoming by-election. Not just Count BinFace. Also Piers Corbyn (Jeremy’s brother who looks like the local fruitcake was dragged backwards through a hedge) and Lawrence Fox (posh boy and failed nepo actor). You’ve got wonder if this is the establishment that Farage said he would be pitting his by-election campaign against? Indeed, as both Farage and Fox are posh boys who attended posh private schools (Dulwich and Harrow respectively) it raises the possibility of each of them pointing at the other shouting “him, he is, he’s the establishment”. What fun.
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Nothing much to read on this thread this morning, just some old lefty venting his spleen about why Nigel and Reform won’t form the next government…So I’ll quickly move on…
I did not see that post, must have been interesting. I did share my view that Farage’s game playing in creating this wholly unnecessary by-election is slapping back in his face. He had hoped it would distract from his mistakes over taking obscene amounts of money. He had hoped it would allow him to pretend to be a man of the people fighting the so called establishment. Instead it is making look very foolish as he spends the summer fighting a dustbin.
I do not have to explain why Farage and reform are completely unsuited for senior office. They are doing that argument themselves.
If he hadn’t got into this current mess I think Nigel and his mates probably would have got in at the next General Election.
To think … our Fate depends on Burnham who engineered his own byelection, and Farage with his.
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Clacton farce just gets better and better. In a X (twitter) exchange about Count BinFace one Aaron Banks tweets “Who funds him?”. Oh the deep irony of that question. Just as I was about to suggest not throwing stones if you are in a glass house … I remembered the official Reform line on such matters : it is none of your business and we are allowed to keep such things secret.
What a dope. If that’s Farage’s mate Banks trying to help then they are deep trouble.
(Banks in case you forgot was a pivotal funder of the Leave campaign.)
My kind of bloke. If I had the money I would have funded him also.
According to a couple of sources on FB - Binface 61% v Farage 39%