I’d want considerably more than that to vote for that little toad
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Cutting back on illegal entrants and scrapping net zero for another two Helen.
Agree, and so does one of Australia’s greatest PMs
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It’s all well and good having decent pay and working conditions if you have some work for the workers to do…
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This is of course the dismal claim by the rich who want to get richer at the expense of everyone else. It is the race to the bottom economic philosophy. It claims that to compete the UK needs to remove regulation, cut pay and remove safety nets. Remember this was part of the thinking behind Brexit - the old Singapore on Thames plan. This is the Reform economic plan. Easier to sack people, fewer regulations, reduce taxes for rich people and companies.
I am genuinely saddened when people who are not in the ‘already rich want to get richer’ category buy into such guff. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas.
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No it’s not Lincs, the proof of the pudding etc…
What has happened to shipbuilding, steel production, the fishing industry, the coal mining industry, engineering, energy production from proper manned and British built power stations, farming, vehicle manufacturing, white goods and electrical items manufacturing, pottery production, in fact everything we use in the UK comes from somewhere else except a few basics. So where are the jobs now that conditions and pay have exceeded expectation?
Investors, bankers and number crunchers don’t actually make jobs for the great unwashed, and they don’t produce anything to export. So the best thing to do, is to move to some foreign country where the weather is kind and the living is easy…Wait a minute… 
I suspect that we are not discussing the same thing. You are looking back. I am looking forward. But the root of what you proposing is that to compete the UK workers have to accept lower pay, less secure jobs, fewer paid benefits, etc. That is dismal.
You then cite work in the finance sector (bankers, etc.) and claim they do not male jobs. Yet 2.5 million Brits work in this sector. If you mean professional & business services when you refer to number crunchers then you are talking about 5 million British workers. Sorry, what were saying about not creating jobs?
Then you mention white goods, pottery and other products. If today a new factory was created down the road then how many would work there? Probably a few dozen. It would be automated and perhaps even running without any lights on.
You seem to be wishing for a time long gone and jobs long gone. There are jobs if you’ve the right skills & knowledge. Ironically the sectors you’ve dismissed actually offer some of the best pay.
Worse, you have fully bought into the Farage & Rees-Mogg lie that the UK needs to become more competitive and that means lower pay, less secure jobs, fewer benefits. This is a lie as its inappropriate for a first world country like the UK. Walking back worker rights and levels of pay is not the way forward. It will certainly suit those that want to see company profits go up without making expensive investments.
Then even worse, you dismiss education beyond school. It will only be people who continue to learn and graft to get those further qualifications that will be suitable for the higher paid work in the sectors that are not metal bashing or simple assembly. They can’t learn from Len or Maureen who have been hitting things with a hammer or screwdriver for decades because the future jobs don’t involve a hammer or screwdriver.
So go and vote for the party that wants to shaft ordinary people if you want, in the same way that you voted for a Brexit that was only ever going to make the UK worse off. Others can see through the con that is Farage.
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You would not need to “want considerably more that that” you would automatically get more for being “On the Team” 
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To be honest I thought that was what Brexit was aiming for, cheap labour to revive British industry as a low cost manufacturer and exporter.
No!! its globalization 
Is it really just down to globalisation?
Globalisation is the growing interdependence of different countries on trade and investments. In practice this has meant wealthty / costly countries sourcing products or components from less wealthy & lower cost countries. For the wealthy countries this has greatly contributed to curbing inflation. A washing machine in 1970 was over a thousand pounds in today’s money and was a far simpler, less reliable product.
In the meantime manufacturing is still a major sector in the UK economy.
So how does that reduce wages and reduce employment security? These things come about because large employers have sought low skilled workers (delivery centres, fast food, shops, taxi services, hospitality, cleaning services). These are not sectors driven by globalisation.
Oh, and the other thing that has caused lower wages and poorer employment contracts is the weakening of the trade unions. There is significantly less push back on employers forcing workers to accept worse contracts.
Oh, and which party wishes to allow companies to sack workers and then re-hire at lower pay? Guess.
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International outsourcing, starts at component level, then sub assemblies, then finishes at finished product, no more factory = no more workers, it ain’t johnny foreigners fault, we sold out, no market no sale
Clue “International” or global if you like!!
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Yet there is still manufacturing in the UK. But not low cost products.
More significantly, if the UK had followed the keep sourcing components and sub-assemblies locally, and keep final assembly in the UK then all these businesses would be making increasingly expensive and uncompetitive products. Exports would immediately halt. The government would have to block or tarrif competitor imports to keep these factories open. In the meantime we all get to pay much more for most likely below quality / features of competitor products.
Even then, the volumes would drop and production would shrink. After a few years and after many lay-offs, the inevitable closures would follow. Most likely the UK company would also fold. No more factories, no more workers - except 5-10 years later than if production had moved to a lower cost location. But this time the company itself also disappears. Clue is in the stark reality of markets.
Look up ‘US television production tarrifs’ and the protracted death of TV manufacturing ending in 1988. They were still making expensive, clunking, huge TV sets. Dreaming of protecting local manufacturing in the face of lower cost, more innovative competition is not the same as it being feasible.
There was a big push for rank and file employees to accept relative wage structures with overseas competitors. unfortunately middle managers upwards weren’t too keen on the same philosophy, it was an obvious car crash waiting to happen either way.
The sweet spot was to milk it until the pension kicked in.
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Another Farage mistake - jumping, no leaping, to the wrong conclusion.
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He’ll be the guy…if it suits Nigel!
All that has achieved is that poor countries get richer, and rich countries get poorer. As is the case with the UK. Everything we did is now done elsewhere by somebody else.
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The disgusting little toad is slowly and surely being exposed and more people are discovering the reality of him and his Party Ltd.
Hopefully by the next election he’ll be forgotten.
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Let me re-write that please.
To some extent poor countries are given the potential to gain economic growth from businesses sourcing goods from there. I suspect the wealth is not very evenly distributed however. But overall, a poor getting a bit richer is surely a good thing.
Nope, rich countries do not get poorer. Rich countries GDP continues to grow so the country gets richer, overall. However the distribution of the wealth gets even worse with a few gaining a lot, and a lot not gaining much at all.
That says to me that the problem is not globalisation but wealth concentration without checks.
Well after all the dodgy gifts he has gone to ground as is avoiding interviews … so perhaps forgotten already. The problem Reform Ltd have is that their other spoke’s people are mostly unappealing washed up ex-Tories or painfully hard not to hate chaps like Tice. So they appear to have a communication problem.
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