I disagree, land is not the problem but the way it has been used. Perhaps if we had relied on food that could have been grown here, the population would not have grown the way it has.
Yes Bruce, convoys brough food among other things during WW2 but not because we didn’t have enough land to grow stuff, but because all the young men were busy giving hitler a kick up the ar$e…and there wasn’t enough women to farm the land. Plus, people had to duck when the luftwaffe gave us a visit and destroyed our farms and food producing factories.
Different people are likely to have different ideas of who’s “we” , what is “poorer”, and what is understood by “accept”? Talking for myself, yes, I accept the fact that I’m now paying more for energy, fuel, and food. I don’t think that that makes me poorer, though. Consequently, I may not belong to those who are meant by “we”. I accept it because I’m clueless about what I could do to change it. I’m more concerned about what may happen if the current rise in prices is not accepted by a majority of people.
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I don’t know where to start in responding to this, because I would have to go back to the basic laws in economics of demand and supply, logistics, free market etc! We will just have to agree to differ. You can’t create the nation that you would like Britain to be without an authoritarian (probably communist) state. You’d have to confiscate all private wealth and redistribute. This approach has not worked anywhere on the planet.
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If the situation continues, I think we will see a great constriction of consumer choice in the next year or so. Every week products are being removed from our supermarket shelves. Obviously that’s just one aspect. Quality is reducing and corners are being cut all round to try to keep prices stable whilst seemingly offering the same product. Some products are becoming unrecognisable. I worry it will affect medical supplies and safety. But it goes through every strata of production.
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I think most people have already accepted begrudgingly they are poorer.
I can’t see how it can be otherwise or for how long the restraints on income V prices will be with us
Again i feel we must blame all govts present and previous, we have had five years since Brexit to get things growing, i cant believe we are still importing so much from Holland who has a similar climate to ours…
but as previously stated it mostly rests at the feet of the lady with the iron head Thatcher… the Germans have always subsidised their heavy industries, illeagally and against the basic laws of the European community, but the iron lady refused to give our industries similar subsidies, they keep on about a level playing fields, thats all our industries asked… did you know they still make steel in Sheffield, but if you want sheets of steel you have to send the ingots to Spain to find a rolling mill… we will get nowhere without investment… so lets start with food, we spend millions every week on imported salad, we could start to grow it now, and our illegal immigrants could be trained to operate the poly tunnels with very little investment plus taking the migrants away from our major cities, they can be housed where the poly tunnels are sited. several birds with one stone…
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Yes Crabby, but did you know it’s owned by the Chinese?
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we had an endless supply of enthusiastic cheap labour to work on farms whilst in the EU. Why would farmers want to put up with illegal immigrants who are not motivated and are more interested in criminal activities (given their illegal status)? We had a perfectly good arrangement before brexit. The government need to get a reality check about letting migrants from the EU to come here to do the jobs it’s clear Brits still don’t want to do. Why would do we insist on migrants from countries on the other side of the world who don’t share our values?
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Our values seem to be, get other (European) nationals to do the sh???ite our nationals don’t want to do, for half the price, how can that be good?
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As bad as that may be, I was thinking more of something like the yellow-vest movement and social unrest. Over here it has already affected medical supplies and safety. A last-ditch letter was published warning against an even more severe shortage of antibiotics even for children who are seriously ill.
Europe needs to get more independent from Chinese-Indian supplies in this field and in chip production. Infinion is building a new plant and so is Intel. A move in the right direction.
why look a gift horse in the mouth? It was an arrangement that worked perfectly. Now we have constant labour gaps. The government need to loosen up labour visa rules for European nationals so that we can fully staff our hospitals, factories, farms and care homes. People became used to a more affluent lifestyle purely because we had a low cost readily available labour force to power that lifestyle. What has happened in the last few years is just ludicrous. Assuming that somehow Brits would step in the plug the labour gap for the same wages and conditions. Hilarious. It was clear it wouldn’t happen. This government seems to be doing everything to stop the country progressing and thriving.
Our young people don’t want to do anything because they expect life to hand them a pay cheque for breathing. If you ask them to do anything more than breathing you ruin their day.
instead of loosening the visa rules we need to tighten the benefit rules, to many young women get pregnant and we reward them with social security payments and give them a council house, then to get more money they have another kid… ok i know this might not be the norm, but there are away too many doing it, plus young guys that never had a job… we have the labour, its just too coddled… go into Norfolk and ask the residents, not the farmers the residents what the think of your idea…
Not just Norfolk, ask those along the south coast what they think about the workshy youngsters of today. They all seem to have a feeling of self-entitlement without the gumption to go out and self-fund through hard work🤬
in Norfolk LD the cheap labour [ a very sad saying, cheap labour] but the resident were afraid to go out of their homes at night because the cheap labourers were roaming the streets, they were ruled by gang bosses who made a lot of money and hired by farmers who didnt care where they slept of what they ate so long as they got their ‘cheap labour’
“crops were rotting in the fields” what kind of assh**e plant a crop he cant harvest, they were spoiled by all those set aside fees where the EU trained them NOT to plant so the French farmer could… King Charles the third made more money from set aside than any other farm owner.
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I don’t understand why those in Norfolk are unhappy with European workers when you confirm that their young “residents” don’t have any interest in working. We don’t have a motivated pool of labour. We didn’t have one before the EU influx. It was as OGF said in those days - local businesses selling to locals but they did so at a premium price, pocketed the profit. We had complacent business owners what have had to up their game because of competition. Remove that and we are back where we started. Little choice, expensive goods, poor work attitude by workers who feel they are doing you a favour if they turn up. My main worry is a deterioration of quality, which can already be seen.
What I also don’t understand is why the antipodeans have such a good work ethic. Considering they come from an “English” culture and history. What is the difference there - climate? Bring them back here to take over the jobs people don’t want. Since the visa rules changed restricting the number who can come here it’s been far less fun and there is a massive skills gap.
That is an inhumane system that the government allowed to continue (labour, tory alike). Totally unpoliced and tolerated.
Every farmer must set aside every couple of years. I don’t think that’s an EU rule. It’s to save the farm at the end of the day.
They dont there are many lazy bums out there as there are anywhere else .
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I can’t even grow salad in my garden . Well I grow but slugs and snails get there before me .
Obviously why we don’t have local labour Annie, because we send all our kids off to university to study for things we don’t need, and then they leave at 21 and are over qualified for most jobs but they all have a good hobby…At 21, or even over if they stay on for more qualifications, they are too old to learn a trade. Especially one that gets their hands dirty.