Were it down to such scaremongering we’d still be dying of smallpox. I’m sure people were worried at the time that came out that they were being injected with an animal derived vaccine.
Annie, On the other hand, could this age group be being used as guinea pigs for such a new vaccine?
Why would l take into my body a dose of Shingles when l have never had Chicken Pox, neither did my brother or sisters.
I have never caught Chicken Pox or Shingles, even after being in constant contact, over the years, with people suffering with both illnesses.
Hi Art…I have had shingles three times in my life and it’s the most miserable illness that I’ve ever had…
In 1982 I contracted shingles on my waist, tummy and back an it lasted about two months.
Then in the summer of 2012, once again they reared their ugly head and this time I had them in my scalp…so painful…and lasted about 2 months also.
About 4 years ago I had the vaccine…
Fast forward to earlier this year and suddenly they appeared for the third time…on my lower back… I don’t think they were as bad this time…probably because of the vaccine and a script for a drug…that if you take it right away, it helps with the pain…
BF, Did you ever have Chicken Pox?
My mother, my mother in law and a few ladies whose hair l used to do, had Shingles and l was constantly in contact with them all.
Yes Art, I did have the chickenpox…I caught them from my brother when I was a kid…
I am thinking about getting the new vaccine…
It’s not a new vaccine or experimental in any way. It’s used worldwide and is particularly effective for 70-79 year olds.
You don’t have to have it, but it’s not a bad thing. If you have had chicken pox then you won’t be infected by someone with shingles, but if you hadn’t then you would have been pretty sick as adult chicken pox is harsher than the child version. Just because you didn’t have the full blown illness with a rash doesn’t mean you didn’t have it.
Anyway hopefully you will never contract either disease.
Art, do what you think is right for whatever reason you think is right
I don’t take any inoculations offered due to age and being a carer - and Ive had flu twice in the past ten years
I also don’t go for breast screening, even though my good friend and a SIL have both had cancer treatment due to abnormalities found during routine screening
Only you can weigh up the pros and cons and decide for yourself
Whilst realist does come across evangelical at times, all he’s doing is giving other facts. His aren’t wrong, same as the NHS ones aren’t wrong, Its up to the individual to research and decide
Of course it’s up to individuals to decide whether they want to be vaccinated and shingles isn’t a normal vaccine in that it doesn’t stop you contracting varicella zoster in the first place.
But in terms of facts, the facts are that vaccines save lives and that’s not just in stopping deaths but in giving people who might otherwise have a disabling condition a normal life. Such as in avoiding cases of meningitis and in particular near global eradication of polio since the vaccine came out in the 1950s. I watched “Breathe” recently, a film about how a man paralised from the neck down by polio in his twenties goes on to change the way victims are treated. Without the vaccine we’d have had far more paralysis. The facts speak for themselves :
Most vaccines inject a small dose of the infection, so small that your body is able to produce lots of anti-toxins, which remain in your body & are able to protect you if you do catch the disease at a later date.
I don’t think I have ever caught diseases like Diphtheria, Smallpox or Polio, but if I had caught them and hadn’t had my jabs, I doubt I would have still been here to tell you about it!
Interesting concept that isn’t it? If your body is capable of generating the anti bodies to combat viruses like this then why shouldn’t it be able to do so as and when the actual virus comes your way?!
It’s not like the Shingles virus is somehow massive suddenly. Equally it’s not like you’re going to get what might figuratively be deemed “bucket loads” of the virus when you contract it. Most likely, like all viruses, you will get a tiny number of the viruses from some contact with it and the viruses will then replicate and multiply over time, hence the incubation periods we see with viruses like colds/flu and tummy bugs like Norovirus.
Combatting bugs and viruses is a known process. Your body knows what to do and IF YOU LET IT, it WILL get on an fight the virus quite happily. As Artangel says, taking a vaccine guarantees that you are getting a dose of the virus whereas we can take our chances and hope we don’t get it.
As I have said counteless times, the fraudulent medical industry purposefully dupes people and preys on their weak minds by using “Campaigns of Fear”. It is VERY effective at scaring people who then trot off for these potions, pills and vaccines like robots.
Yes, logically there is some sanity in their decision, they don’t want to contract the condition, be it flu, shingles or whatever so they do what they think is the right thing and get vaccinated. What they miss is the research to get to the facts, they are lazy, simply hope for someone else to hold their hands through life and make their health decisions for them and as such they are cash cows for the medical industry who will continue to exploit their naivety and weakness pretty much until they day they die.
The number of Shingles cases each year in the UK is 50,000.
There are millions of people in the UK.
50,000 is a tiny tiny amount.
Your chances of catching Shingles is therefoire ridiculously small.
The “terror tactics” don’t mention this. They concentrate on the effects, the severity and always say “Oh but you could die” so it’s “better to be safe than sorry”.
It’s a con, a fraud, any way you cut it. The risk is tiny.
And even if you DID catch Shingles, for many people it would be a temporary discomfort which will pass.
Again it all comes back to how you view and treat your body.
The body is a powerhouse of healing abilities, utterly mind boggling in its complexity and wondrous efficacy. There is nothing, absolutely nothing that the Big Pharma fat cats can produce that comes remotely close to the amazing self sustaining healing ability of the body.
But the body is a machine, an engine, and it needs fuel otherwise its abilities are compromised. If you don’t think of your body as a machine and live your life to please your whims and desires and eat and drink junk, lots of alcohol, bad processed food, tons fo sugars and sweeteners then you are literally self destructing. You are killing yourself slowly and relentlessly, each time chipping away at some function of the body until it is compromised which affects another function of the body which then gets compromised and so on.
Reach for Big Pharma pills, potions and vaccines and you’ll damage yourself further, hurt your immune system and head off into a death spiral, requiring more and more pills, potions and vaccines until as I sad earlier . . . you die.
Nature knows best. Your body knows best. Just give it the strongest fuel you can and it will do the rest.
Your immune system is your main defense. We should be feeding it EVERY DAY with goodness. Strong vitamins from nature’s fruits (lemons, grapefruits, oranges etc), the myriad of great healing compounds in things like garlic and ginger and herbs and spices. Reject bad foods, not because they sound bad but because you know instinctively that you would be self harming to eat them. They are NOT treats which are ok to eat on your chosen excuse . . . it’s Friday, it’s Easter, it’s Christmas, it’s my birthday. Why would you harm yourself? Who taught you to do that? Who suggested it was ok to do even occasionally?
Feed your body, fuel your immune system, be the best you can be, be strong, powerful, and have no need whatsoever to ever get involved in the Big Pharma scams.
Flu vaccines . . . . NO
Shingles vaccine . . . NO
Mamographs . . . NO
etc
Don’t be lazy. YOUR health is YOUR responsibility not that of the NHS or others. DO the research. Educate yourself and thereby protect yourself from those that seek to make you purposefully ill. Don’t become a victim in the War On Your Health.
You don’t “catch” shingles realist. People do catch chicken pox and about 90% of kids contract it before they are aged 10. So millions are carriers of the virus.
You can only develop shingles if you have the dormant chicken pox virus but only a fraction of those who have the virus a prone to shingles.
They only vaccinate a small cohort at age 70 and 79 so not millions. It’s not like the flu campaign. The vaccine doesn’t stop you catching anything it just alleviates symptoms or prevents outbreaks.
You’re spreading fear, nobody is forced to have the vaccine but it might save their life.
If Someone has reached the ripe old age of 70 but still can’t make up Their mind whether to accept/reject the shingles jab,then gawd help 'em is all I can say. :shock:
Hi May, Please can you tell me where l have stated that l can’t make up my mind re the Shingles Injection? Did you not read my opening post in this thread, where l said…
“Whilst there, the nurse offered me the Shingles injection. I REFUSED, like l do the Flu injection.
I said to the nurse, l have never had Chicken Pox, so l didn’t think l could get Shingles.
She said, that l could still get Shingles without ever having Chicken Pox. Is she right?”
My question was whether she was correct in that l still could get Shingles if l had never had Chicken Pox?
Some years ago, l was advised by a medical professional, that l couldn’t.
I can assure you that l am big enough and ugly enough to be able to make decisions on my own. 
Realist, Injections give a very small dose if the infection, but your body doesn’t know that, so produces many anti toxins. As they are not likely to be used they are stored in the body ready to attack a more serious case of the disease at a later date.
As we get older our bodies are less able to fight disease, for many reasons, so our stored anti toxins help prevent the disease doing damage that can be seriously harmful. An older immune system is less likely to be able to produce the anti toxins fast enough.
If you want to believe what you read on the internet, that is fine, but let others make their own decisions because the internet could be wrong!
Thanks, I’ll stick with my research thanks. I KNOW it tells truth as I have TESTED and EXPERIENCED many of it’s truths. Sure there’s a load of misinformation out there too, in fact a veritable minefield, but if you put the time and effort in to sift through all the info you can get to the truth.
Many doctors are clueless. They have been conditioned and trained through a deliberate system which supports the Big Pharma machine. They don’t even understand what a fever is and will happily give you pills to force a fever down which is the exact opposite of what you should do.
They also peddle the fraudulent flu vaccine, proof enough of either their ignorance and stupidity, or of their wilful compliance in the Big Pharma money making scam.
I will always encourage people to do the appropriate research and to NEVER solely rely on the advice of GPs.
Art, is this any help?
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“Even if you had chicken pox in the past, you can still contract shingles. … However, the varicella zoster virus can be spread from a person with shingles to someone who has never had chicken pox. The unfortunate recipient might develop chicken pox, but not shingles.”
Hi Art, no you can’t get shingles unless you are carrying the varicella Zoster virus. So if you don’t think you are at risk and in particular if you think you might be allergic to one of the ingredients then you should not have the jab.
The likelihood is that you contracted chicken pox without symptoms of pustules. That happens. If you were around people with shingles then you’d have had adult chicken pox unless you were already immune. Many people have the virus but their immune system has it covered. But people who have had shingles outbreaks in the past should definitely have the jab.
It’s a really nasty virus and part of the herpes family. They do have a chicken pox vaccine but it’s not part of any programme because the risk is only for part of the elderly vulnerable population. A large proportion of the population have the cold sore virus but hardly anyone gets cold sores until their immune system is compromised.
Your answers:
“Only those who have previously had chickenpox can develop shingles later in life, and rarely, those who have received the varicella vaccine can develop shingles later in life”
Simply NOT true in practice. Shingles is a contagious condition. The blistering rash is the contagious part and ANYONE, even those who have never had chicken pox or Shingles before can be affected if they come into contact with it.
Same link above applies:
“The virus that causes shingles, the varicella zoster virus, can be transmitted from person to person by direct contact with the fluid from the active blistering rash. Therefore, susceptible individuals should avoid contact with people who have active shingles, especially pregnant women who have never had chickenpox and immunocompromised individuals. It cannot be transmitted by coughing or sneezing, and it is not contagious before the blisters appear. Once the shingles rash has dried and developed crusting, it generally is not considered to be contagious.”
“If an individual who has never had chickenpox or the chickenpox vaccine comes in direct contact with the fluid from the shingles rash, they may go on to develop chickenpox, but they will not immediately develop shingles. It is possible, however, for them to develop shingles later in life”
The decision for ARTANGEL and myself is clear. Having never had Chickenpox we are NOT going to develop Shingles.
If we were to STUPIDLY have the vaccine we would immediately place ourselves in the category of people who may develop Shingles in later life. Not something I want thanks.
Either of us could develop Chickenpox and thus Shingles IF we came into contact with the blisters of a Shingles sufferer.
So all we need do is ensure we don’t go anywhere near such a person.
Having the Shingles vaccine would be utterly stupid.
For those who have previously had Chickenpox it’s a different proposition and each to their own there.
Notable though that this whole “Campaign Of Fear” doesn’t go into this depth of clarification, it just harps on about potential awful suffering and possible death.
What I love about the internet is that these charlatans can’t hide their Billy BS. You get real info from real people who are happy to expose the con merchants.
You might have a point about flu vaccinations Realist but you have jumped to the wrong conclusion about shingles jab. It’s really helpful that those at risk are vaccinated.
Shingles is not contagious of shingles realist. It can give you chicken pox and that’s that. If you then go on to develop shingles it’s not going to happen overnight because the virus lies dormant usually for many years. However, in common with other childhood diseases, contracting chicken pox as an adult can lead to complications. But as 90% of kids under 10 have had it this leaves just a small cohort of susceptible individuals.
As 90% of people have had chicken pox it’s not "utterly stupid " to have a vaccine when you get to a vulnerable age. The vaccine has minor side effects so I really don’t understand your adversity to it.