Brexit benefits - where are they?

They look very tasty! On amazon in Germany they cost 19,90 EUR (31,64 AUS$) for 3 packages of 200g each. That would be 0,96 AUS$ or 0,6 EUR for each buscuit. That is not cheap I guess.

This means that the UK has a tangible Brexit benefit now because the UK has an FTA with AUS earlier than the EU and can profit from cheaper Tim Tams :man_dancing:

Brexit is doing a great job of exposing just how corrupt Whitehall is.

Bravo Boris !

Your sheer cheek is impressive. You raised the notion that the reason the UK’s farming sector is so much smaller and less productive was because of CAP. No justification. Just “its because of CAP”. I challenged you to provide details of exactly why this might be the case. Your “detailed” reply was “The common market was created around Germany’s manufacturing and France’s agriculture.” Perhaps that is a fair statement but it certainly does not explain your claims or give insight into the aspects of CAP that work for France and do not work for the UK. You made the assertion - you justify it with info.
Now you come back with a demand that I do the research. No sorry, sonny, either your explain claim that the UK suffered due to CAP with details of how and why - or you shut up and acknowledge that you are spouting rubbish. Not my job to prove your point - your job. Get on with it or park your made up claims.

I also explained that every time I post something on here I end up having to educate you. If you don’t understand why the CAP was introduced then you have bigger problems than you think and a lot less knowledge that you pretend to have.

If you read back you have lost every argument you have made with me. There comes a point when your posts become a burden and I no longer have the time or energy to keep up with you constantly asking why the EU works the way it does.

Do yourself a favour and stop pretending you’re an expert then we can all have a good weekend and I get a break from correcting your faulty opinions.

And while your at it, grow up, all your doing is proving over and over again why its pointless trying to have a sensible discussion with a socialist.

P.S. the CAP was set up to protect French farmers and to keep them in employment because French agriculture is made up of so many smallholdings, small farms etc. Should the French get cheap produce from outside France, then all these farmers would be out of work and out of money. They would all descend on Paris for work that wouldn’t be available… it would be a complete catastrophe for France and destroy its welfare system and economy, so in order to protect French agriculture one of the many methods used was single market rules, non-tarrif barriers and the payments to UK farmers to set aside farmland and leave it fallow. At one point British apples were being left to rot (and many other types of produce) as it was more profitable to UK farmers to receive payments from the EU than sell the apples. Another was milk being poured away in thousands and thousands of gallons a day etc etc. This was all enforced through the EU CAP. There are hundreds more examples.

Do you get it now ?

Esther Rantzen even had a weekly program documenting the stupidity of the CAP in the 80s called Thats Life - remember ???

If you still don’t understand then quite frankly you should be posting pictures more suitable to your intellect like cats doing weird things with toilet rolls etc.

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Oh dear. You cite the basis of CAP - which was set up in 1962. Your info on 1962 CAP is quite good. But there has been six major overhauls of CAP since then. Perhaps you need to refresh your knowledge of more recent formulations of CAP.
Now you also cite very old info (we can tell its old because you move on to the 80’s, merely 40 years ago). I’m not sure how all EU farmers receiving subsidies was so bad for UK farmers. I understand the waste that was created in maintaining decent prices for farmed goods. But surely UK farmers benefited just as French or Spanish farmers benefited.
So please, explain not what CAP was and is today - but why specifically it harmed UK farming. All you’ve explained is that UK farmers got subsidies.
You can also drop the arrogant tone. Nothing you put forward justifies it. PS how is the cognitive dissonance coming on?
BTW in case you did not notice I have not once said that I think CAP is or was great. You assumed that - likely because careful thought is not your forte. I’m not defending CAP here nor do I need to. But you need to explain exactly why CAP punished UK farmers whilst helping French ones. Because that is your claim. So far unjustified.

An example of who benefited from the EU farming subsidies:

Young people should jump onto this growing movement behind regenerative agriculture, Mr Scott said, while at the same time the industry should be looking at working more closely with schools and colleges.

“We need to be getting young people onto farms and show them that the way they operate has changed and that farming is not a boring job,” he added.

“Farming is anything but boring. Today, farmers need to innovate and diversify. There are aspects of science, ecology, engineering and marketing in running a successful farm. No two days are ever the same.”

CAP membership has ended since Brexit has it not? According to https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9431/
there is a new funding scheme active anyway.
So the UKs agriculture industry is free to take off and prosper mightily. No more holding back by CAP I guess.

You are quite right. All will be rosy for UK farmers I am (not) sure. My uncertainty is because I do not know what was holding UK farmers under their (I am informed that the adjective is ‘terrible’) CAP regime. I have the adjective but I do not have the details of why it was so bad. And the ever opiniated Bread has failed to provide this crucial information. Which surprises me because, as you say, the UK farmers are apparently on the edge of something fantastic. (Let’s not mention the Oz trade deal at this point.)

Indeed, something to really celebrate but not getting the attention it deserves.

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who wants to be a farmer? It’s one of the most highly stressful professions out there.

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https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/43055/pdf/#:~:text=The%20Health%20and%20Safety%20Executive,2.2%%20of%20suicides%20in%202019.

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Must be Brexit’s fault:

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fworld-news%2F2023%2F06%2F18%2Femmanuel-macron-poll-voters-marine-le-pen-tsunami%2F

Overall, 77 per cent of French respondents and 92 per cent of RN voters said that France is on the decline, up two and one percentage points respectively.

:rofl:very good.Get Tim Tams Done :v:

Oh okay that does not look like there will be an increase in the agriculture industrie in the UK. Ok then I can imagine that the UKs workforce can concenrate on more global industrial issues and can enjoy another tangible Brexit benefit of profiting from cheaper food through AUS/OZ Imports from the friendly FTA around the (globes) corner. :+1:
Who said there were none?

Me!!! :icon_wink:

It’s ok in a few years we will have robots to do the harvest for us. Britain is holding out for the bot revolution. It’s there in all the government’s strategic planning.

Wow, that sounds interesting. That is one of the main parts of farming being done by bots. Less hands needed which can now do another job :+1:
The UK could have done that inside the EU as well so I am afraid this bot business is not a Brexit benefit. :pensive:

Anaway, I am excited to see the result in a few years.

If you bothered to read my post, the answer is in there.

I’ve also justified my point on the CAP and why it benefitted French farmers. It had to - no choice so UK farmers were paid not to farm and single market rules prevented them from selling produce into the EEC/Common Market/EU.

Another way the CAP destroyed UK farming was the mandating of qualified vets to be present in UK slaughterhouses, making the slaughter process so expensive that cattle and pig farming became unaffordable and unprofitable.

Moving on to the 90’s there was foot and mouth and BSE which, under instruction from the EU the UK had to incinerate its national herd and an export ban lasting decades. No such treatment for cases in the Netherlands though.

I can explain these to you as well but it will have to be later as I’m in meetings most of the day.

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I’m not so excited. Bots taking over the world would be a disaster. The good thing is that we don’t have sufficient natural resources for that to happen.

I agree with you and I also do not expect robots + AI taking over.
We will not end up being batteries for the matrix… :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: