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Yes you did, it was in the Manifestos of your beloved Tory party in 1966:
We are determined to give Britain a respected place in the world again and lead her into the European Community.
Britain must be part of a wider grouping if she is to exert her full influence in the world. British industry must have far bigger markets if it is to develop on the scale required in so many cases by modern technology.
This can best be achieved by Britain becoming a member of an enlarged European Economic Community to which she herself has so much to contribute.
…and 1974:
If we can negotiate the right terms, we believe that it would be in the long-term interest of the British people for Britain to join the European Economic Community, and that it would make a major contribution to both the prosperity and the security of our country. The opportunities are immense. Economic growth and a higher standard of living would result from having a larger market.
I think that is pretty clear that if you voted Tory you voted to enter the EEC. Perhaps you didn’t read them?
We voted to join the single market - the EU didn’t even exist.
Perhaps you have no clue what the difference is between the single market, the EEC and the EU.
The EU didn’t exist until 1993. And if you think EU membership is party political your even more wrong than you think.
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I did suggest you stop digging on this IMF forecast issue but you won’t let it lie. You do realise how funny your constant increasingly untenable self-justifications are? I can’t believe you are not just happy to sit back and bask in their latest, more positive forecast. Surely its primarily about that positive news?
In the meantime its amazing that Germany has managed to control the challenges to its GDP and keep to a mere 0.1% recession. Consider their challenges - they had to deal with a near shut off of their energy supply when last year it decided to cease all gas imports from Russia by 2024. Two years ago 55% of all energy came from Russia. This might be the largest shift in energy source in merely two years that any country has had to face. Any other country would be brought to its knees by this. Of course, their GDP per person is still 10% higher than that of the UK so at 0.1% recession it would take 100 years for Germany to fall the UK levels of productivity.
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Stop doing maths mate your not doing yourself any favours.
And although I tried to help you understand what I wrote about the IMF I can’t make you understand. As for Germanys recession just bear in mind that Germany is supposed to be the manufacturing powerhouse behind the EU and its interest rates underpin the Euro. A recession for Germany is devastating for the Eurozone.
Germany is having to burn coal again because its energy to power its mnanufacturing isn’t sustainable. It’s only going to get worse when its carbon footprint is taxed to death by your unelected masters.
The UK on the other hand has no such misfortune, thanks to leaving the EU, not joining the Euro and once again letting Germany drag it down into the gutter like it did when the UK signed up to monetary union in the 90s. Black Wednesday I think they called it. back then. Who was head of the IMF back then by the way ?
Well, your on your own now - you were warned.
Sorry, exactly when did this forum become a school playground? It is supposed to be an over-50’s forum, not an under 10’s temper tantrum. Can you please stop such childish and empty threats? It does not improve the substance of your arguments or make anyone think you are right.
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In our media it is called a “technical recession”. Don’t know why they do not call it “recession” but who knows, I guess “technical” makes it look less alarming.
I do agree with your assessment. It looks we have coped with our current challenges much better than (I) expected. Having hundreds of thousands of additional refugees (from Ukraine, besides the other countries) last year, having an inflation as well, more expensive energy costs, …
BTW some media say that gas prices are now lower than before the Ukraine war. Last week I received a letter from my electric energy supplyer. The price is reduced a bit. Not much but ok.
I must admit that I am not afraid because of the recession yet.
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Britain was a full member of the EEC that created the EU and was instrumental in its creation so don’t give us that BS.
Nothing you say is true, Joining the EEC was in the Conservative Party Manifesto on which they were elected by the people of the UK. The 1975 plebiscite roundly endorsed its continued membership again voted for by the people of the UK and the EU was created when Britain was a full member, endorsed by representatives elected by the people of the UK.
So all your whinging about, “We never voted for the EU” is just complete nonsense. You are now out of the EU and still whining about it.
You probably should get back to clutching at straws to show what great success Brexit has been.
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Recessions aren’t alarming anymore.
“The 1957 Treaty Establishing the European Community contained the objective of “ever closer union” in the following words in the Preamble. In English this is: “Determined to lay the foundations of an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe”
We have been down this road before. The EU was part of voting for the EEC. The plan was always for greater unity over time. The whole point was to ensure that European nations would remain democratic, prosper and not go to war with each other. It worked fine for decades. Britain just didn’t want to get too involved in running it, preferring to let other countries do the hard work, then complained when others ran it a way we didn’t like.
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There were a few lame ducks that did not fit the model, that is what scuppered everything.
But I am right.
The EU didn’t exist until Maastricht.
Maastricht changed everything.
Go educate yourself.
You’re just squirming now - stop it. You’re embarrassing yourself with irrelevances.
I’m not squirming at all, in fact I’m laughing my head off at you uninformed, uneducated dumb comments. You just have no idea what the difference is between joining the EU (which we never did in a referendum) and joining the common market. which we did.
We never voted to join the EU it’s hilarious you didn’t know that.
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You just keep thinking that if it makes you happy
^^^ Hilarious 
You even got the wrong year, we joined the common market in 1973
Maybe you’re getting confused over the common market and when we beat Germany in the world cup. Easy mistake … for you anyway
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Really? Gawd why don’t you just give up? You have obviously no understanding or knowledge of British politics and UK government. Manifestos are published in the UK by each political party before an election telling the voters what their government, if elected, would do. Voters then place their votes to the party according to which manifesto policy appeals to them most. They are still available for you to read on line.
Support for joining the EEC as quoted was in the Conservative Manifesto for 1966, an election which Labour won, the Manifesto was used for the 1970 election which Heath won, support for the EEC was also in the Tory Manifesto for the 1974 election as quoted in a previous post.which the Tories lost.
Following the mandate given to it by the voters in 1970 to pursue its manifesto policies it was the Heath Government which applied for and joined the EEC during its term…
It was Wilson’s Labour Government that held the referendum to decide whether Britain stayed in the EEC. The result was 67% or so in favour.
You can look all this up for yourself. You are obviously in a hole and when you are it is usually best to stop digging but do try to at least to get your fact right otherwise all your "lol"s and hilarity make you look rather foolish.
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[off-topic-part-1] When I went to school we learned that the people from the UK are very polite. I lived my life under that impression and I would love to keep that impression. So people, keep calm.
[off-topic-part-2] On my recent trip from Germany via Holland and Belgium to Paris we stopped in Maastricht. What a beautiful city it seems. I need to spend some days there.
We did not vote to join the EU. Stop revising history.
I guess I can help you understand but I can’t make you understand 