That was a UK only decision and flouted the EU rules on people moving to another EU country. The UK could easily have applied the EU rules without Brexit. Thus Brexit provided no benefit here that could not have been implemented anyway.
You are not answering my post and you are conflating two things. This thread is not about flaws in the make up of the EU - what do you care about that? This thread is about Brexit and my post was about your false and offensive claim that somehow people who did not want to leave the EU are racist. Answer the post where I challenge that rubbish from you. Stop diverting onto other issues.
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We haven’t doubled the net migration rate and no I haven’t got anything against Ukrainian women and their kids coming over here or Hong Kongers. I haven’t got anything against people from other countries coming over here and helping our NHS either. I haven’t anything against students coming over here either and paying higher fees than people born here.
What on earth are you going on about. Are you trying to tell me that EU citizens couldn’t claim tax credits?
I’m just glad we’re out of the racist EU and if you care about racism too I would have thought you would be too. It’s you who’s diverting, I show you an article from your preferred newspaper which answers the questions you couldn’t answer before and instead of thanking me for the information you obviously were unaware of you divert into trying to insult me.
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so you voted leave because you were concerned about racism in Europe?
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One of the reasons, yes, I don’t believe in giving one continent preferential treatment over another, especially a bullying one like the EU is.
I don’t understand how racism is EU-led. They are the ones with open borders. We are the ones with an ex PM who called black people piccaninies and said women in burkhas look like letter boxes. An ex-PM embraced by Brexit voters. We are the ones with an opposition that had an anti-semitism inquiry and it is our Met Police force that was found to be institutionally racist.
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Now you really are going off topic, so won’t answer all your claims. But the EU only has open borders to other EU citizens. And read The Guardian article I posted earlier to see what racism means.
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I assume you have not traveled much in Europe if at all ?
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Wendeey you brought up a reduction of racism as a Brexit benefit so it’s very much on topic.
And I refer you back to this post:
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Ok, once again I am asking you how the article discussing a vast increase in immigration to Britain demonstrates a Brexit benefit. You keep deflecting that question. You no longer want to discuss your comment about racism and I am not sure how increased immigration from Ukraine and Hong Kong or foreign students demonstrate any kind of Brexit benefit. Whilst this is all interesting it’s not linked to post-Brexit improvements. If you think it is somehow linked to Brexit then please explain. I haven’t been able to follow your logic there.
The fact that we have vast numbers of immigration from around the world, where we are importing foreign workers to fill jobs we should be able to do ourselves and that they are bringing generations of their families over as part of that deal. That their children are putting strain on our schools because they often come here not speaking English and that such upheaval causes huge trauma to their childhood, having to deal with a new environment, culture, bullying, potentially racism and goodness knows what kind of living conditions in our poorly structured rental sector. That services are not being expanded to cope with this increase in population. That this is somehow better than having EU workers that everyone was complaining put a strain on services, created social change and took our jobs.
What piece of the puzzle am I missing which says that this article demonstrates a benefit of Brexit?
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It has been a real pleasure to show that you are confused and wrong. Your made up claim about free movement of people is hilariously unfounded. As has been demonstrated with clarity you refuse to acknowledge. Sad face. Yet you whitter on. Sadder face.
But good news; I found a bit of info that you will truly enjoy. Already shared by Muddy but ignored by you -
“Before Brexit, there was just such an arrangement (to return asylum seekers to the country they most recently left). But it expired once Britain left – and the government put nothing in its place. People traffickers spotted the opportunity almost immediately, offering to take people to a country, Britain, from where they could no longer be sent back. Staggeringly, Brooks found “no records of any individuals travelling by small boat to claim asylum in 2017 or before” – not one case. But as “the UK prepared to leave its returns agreement, small boat journeys started”. And the people making those journeys grew in number, from the low hundreds in 2018 to tens of thousands in 2023.”
Another Brexit benefit - boat crossings and asylum seekers. Hurrah for Brexit.
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I have been following this thread since its inception, contributing occasionally too. I am always interested in learning about opposing viewpoints to mine - I voted for Brexit and would do so again if the situation arises. However, when someone begins their post with insults and patronising comments about another contributor it devalues their viewpoint and I stop reading. Have you never heard of attacking the post but not the poster? I admire wendeey’s resilience in continuing to make her viewpoint in the light of the insults that are hurled her way!
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I don’t think reprinting huge swathes of text from the Mail and Telegraph is helpful, They have their own agenda, furthermore it doesn’t aid a discussion,
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Hi
I disagree with Lincolnshire 95% of the time.
It would also be right to say that I am not totally enamoured by his posting style.
However, as a UK Employee directly involved in this, I have to say he is 100% right.
To assume that all Europeans are white is either very naive or racist in itself.
I honestly can’t believe you can’t see the difference in bringing in people we do need to people we don’t. I haven’t said that people from Ukraine and Hong Kong are a benefit of Brexit, but they are our social responsibility and so have inflated our immigration figures, but as I’ve already stated the Ukrainians will hopefully be able to go back to their own country one day, which will bring that figure down again.
So are you saying that we shouldn’t bring in overseas NHS workers until we’ve trained up our own. The reason we’re in this problem is that we haven’t been training up our own people because we’ve been relying on cheap labour from the EU.
Companies are now training up our own people, so surely even you can see that this is a Brexit benefit.
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Oh for gawd sake have you seen the increase in people trying to get to Europe, the amount trying to get to the UK is miniscule in comparison. A Brexit benefit is that we’re not going to be in the scheme to try and allocate amounts to each country, have you seen the rows that’s causing between countries. (although if Starmer gets to become PM this might change).
Yup they’re now coming over in small boats instead of the lorries now that route has been tightened up.
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