AMOC: A possible decline that is unstoppable, if it crosses a pivotal threshold

Not only is forest replaced with soy plants. The beans have to be transported thousands of miles with those huge ships.

In a German TV report from the company “Sulzer” who produces engines for those big ships an engineer was asked how far such an engine would go with one litre of crude oil.
The engineer responded “2 cm”. That would be 50 litres per meter or 50.000 per kilometer.
How far are Argentina, Brazil et. al. from Europe? Buenos Aires - Rotterdam is 7088 miles (11407 KM).

That would then be 570.350.000 litres of crude oil one way Argentina → Rotterdam.

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The numbers for large ships are astonishing. They can be burning 200-300 tons of fuel a day, or more.

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Fortunately the climate change and humanitys impact on the climate are only fake. Imagine they really existed, then concentrating a countries trade with a trade organisation half way around the globe would be highly questionable.
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Globalism does not work… :009:
If you can’t produce it yourself locally, do without. In nature ant colonies only grow as big as food allows.

Wondering whether those are grown in the US or elsewhere?

International trade is as old as the hills. Back in 16th & 17th centuries fortunes were made from shipping spices and coffee from Asia to the UK. By the 19th century tea was being delivered in specially built and very fast clippers. Jute was imported to the UK for processing into sacks and linoleum. Cotton was imported, sugar was imported. Nations such the UK, Holland, Spain all became wealthy because of international trade. To suggest that it all stops and we rely only on home grown is very, very regressive and impractical.
In addition, surely we want to continue to export?

Oh come on, Britons would starve. That is absurd. Australia export 65% of its agricultural products, what do you want to happen to that? Just let it rot on the ground?

Didn’t those early trading ships use green energy (the wind) Lincs, and they didn’t have to join an elite gang and sell their sovereignty in order to trade ?
Although we couldn’t sustain our population by producing ‘in house’ (A) doesn’t that suggest that the population has been let get well out of hand…And (B) Could we do a helluva lot more to produce our own stuff instead of relying on China and other far east countries to supply just about everything in the shops today? Who incidentally still use fossil fuels to produce said stuff. Especially when we are sitting on at least 300 years worth of coal and oil?

Absurd indeed, please do explain if you can understand why farmers are paid to leave crops to rot. Malnutrition for those unable to afford basic food ingredients a reality now in UK.

How can I explain that? Is it true? If it is I can only presume it is the UK government policy but I have no idea why.

Unless there is no market for it. we have occasionally had circumstances where a bumper crop has been left to rot because it was not economic to harvest or because there was no one to pick the crop as happened in 2022.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/world/australia/agriculture-backpackers.html

Wait, are you suggesting that before the invention of the internal combustion engine (1853), no, before the invention of the condensation steam engine (1764), that it is very likely that ships used wind power? In this instance you are right, but from about 1880 steam (coal powered) ships were taking over from sail.
Then you write about elite clubs and selling sovereignty. What are you talking about? Genuinely confused by this claim.

I think that CCTPP could be meant. It is an elite club where the UK is a rule taker and has no say.

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